Catharina Elisabetha Rapparlie
F, #3276, b. 24 October 1798, d. 18 February 1858
Birth | 24 October 1798 | In Mutterstadt, Bayern, Pfalz, Deutschland. |
Marriage | 20 November 18161 | |
Death | 18 February 1858 | At age 59 in Mutterstadt, Bayern, Pfalz, Deutschland. |
Last Edited | 17 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4387] "Germany, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1500." 1971 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPKG-YKF9. Accessed 17 Sep. 2023.
John Peter Kirschner
M, #3277, b. 8 May 1821, d. 9 May 1898
Birth | 8 May 1821 | In Ludwigshafen, Pfalz, Bayern, Deutschland.1 |
Marriage | 18 April 1846 | In Clay, Missouri, United States.2 |
Death | 9 May 1898 | At age 77 in Saint Joseph, Buchanan, Missouri, United States.3 |
Misc | | Parents: Georgii Wilhelmi Kirschner and Catharinae Reichert.1 |
Last Edited | 17 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4390] "Germany Births and Baptisms, 1558." 1898 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDQ5-8J9. Accessed 17 Sep. 2023.
- [S4389] "Ann Eve Groh in the Missouri, U.S., Compiled Marriages, 1754." 1850 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/11319:2094?indiv=try&h&pid=390044517237&db. Accessed 17 Sep. 2023.
- [S4391] Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/19000039/john-p-kirschner: accessed 17 September 2023), memorial page for John P Kirschner (8 May 1821–9 May 1898), Find a Grave Memorial ID 19000039, citing Mount Mora Cemetery, Saint Joseph, Buchanan County, Missouri, USA; Maintained by Joseph P. Stanton (contributor 46904245)., Tombstone photo too small to read.
Johann Michael Frey
M, #3281
Last Edited | 17 September 2023 |
Anna Maria
F, #3282
Last Edited | 17 September 2023 |
Anna Margaretha Klamm
F, #3283, b. 16 February 1845, d. 1928
Parents
Birth | 16 February 1845 | In Ruchheim, Pfalz, Bavaria, Germany.1 |
Marriage | 1868 | In Jackson, Adair, Missouri, United States. |
Death | 1928 | At age ~83. |
Baptism | 23 February 1845 | In Evangelisch, Ruchheim, Pfalz, Bavaria.1 |
Immigration | 14 June 1852 | New York, New York, United States.2 |
Residence | 1910 | In Shawnce, Wyandotte, Kansas, United States.3 |
Residence | 1920 | In Kansas City Ward 3, Wyandotte, Kansas, United States. Living with one of her children4 |
Last Edited | 18 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4395] "Germany Births and Baptisms, 1558." 1898 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8BQ-M7V. Accessed 17 Sep. 2023.
- [S273] "Simon Klamm in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820." 1957 https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&h=322525&_phsrc=Sgq575&dbid=7488. Accessed 15 Jul. 2021.
![Simon Klamm family immigration](../st/picicon.png)
- [S4396] "Bernie Partonnar in the 1900 United States Federal Census." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/54792412:7602?indiv=try&h&pid=1311364169&db. Accessed 18 Sep. 2023.
- [S4397] "Margaret Partoneer in the 1920 United States Federal Census." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/74014200:6061?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 18 Sep. 2023.
Susanna Elisabetha Schornick
F, #3285, b. 1 November 1797
Birth | 1 November 1797 | In Ruchheim, Pfalz, Bayern, Deutschland.1 |
Marriage | 2 March 1819 | In Ruchheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Deutschland.2 |
Last Edited | 18 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4403] "Germany Births and Baptisms, 1558." 1898 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK7N-4X2. Accessed 18 Sep. 2023.
- [S4402] "Christian Steiger in the Ludwigshafen, Germany, Births, Marriages, and Deaths, 1798." 1875 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/41756:60641?indiv=try&h&pid=152360922200&db. Accessed 18 Sep. 2023.
Emma C. Leimkuhler
F, #3286, b. 5 May 1859, d. 22 February 1932
Birth | 5 May 1859 | In St. Charles County, Missouri, United States.1 |
Marriage | 7 May 1878 | In Jackson, Missouri, United States. |
Death | 22 February 1932 | At age 72 in Pettis Township, Platte, Missouri, United States.1 |
Last Edited | 18 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4405] Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/37936613/emma-c-klamm: accessed 18 September 2023), memorial page for Emma C. Leimkuhler Klamm (5 May 1859–22 Feb 1932), Find a Grave Memorial ID 37936613, citing Saint Matthew's Cemetery, Riverside, Platte County, Missouri, USA; Maintained by Joanne Scobee Morgan (contributor 46991706).
Magdalena Marie ("Lena") Klamm
F, #3287, b. 22 July 1898, d. 17 August 1970
Parents
Birth | 22 July 1898 | In Missouri, United States. |
Death | 17 August 1970 | At age 72 in Liberty, Clay, Missouri, United States.1 |
Last Edited | 18 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4404] Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/31835352/magdalena-marie-corum: accessed 18 September 2023), memorial page for Magdalena Marie “Lena” Klamm Corum (29 Jul 1898–17 Aug 1970), Find a Grave Memorial ID 31835352, citing New Hope Cemetery, Liberty, Clay County, Missouri, USA; Maintained by Still Above the Dirt (contributor 47019839).
Robert Daugherty
M, #3289, d. 1822
Parents
Residence | | In Barren County, Kentucky, United States.1 |
Last Edited | 21 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4417] "Michael Daugherty III (abt.1747-1787)." WikiTree FREE Family Tree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Daugherty-3102. Accessed 21 Sep. 2023.
William Daugherty
M, #3290, d. 1833
Parents
Residence | | In Barren Co., Kentucky, United States.1 |
Residence | | In Fayette, Kentucky, United States.1 |
Last Edited | 21 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4417] "Michael Daugherty III (abt.1747-1787)." WikiTree FREE Family Tree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Daugherty-3102. Accessed 21 Sep. 2023.
Michael Daugherty
M, #3291, d. 1856
Parents
Residence | | In Barren County, Kentucky, United States.1 |
Last Edited | 21 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4417] "Michael Daugherty III (abt.1747-1787)." WikiTree FREE Family Tree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Daugherty-3102. Accessed 21 Sep. 2023.
Sarah Elizabeth Harris
F, #3292, b. 11 December 1833, d. 25 April 1919
Birth | 11 December 1833 | In Indiana, United States.1,2 |
Marriage | 14 November 1852 | In Jeffersonville, Indiana, United States.3,4 |
Death | 25 April 1919 | At age 85 in Nodaway, Missouri, United States.1 |
Residence | 1850 | In Charlestown, Clark, Indiana, United States. Parents: James and Elizabeth Harris2 |
Residence | 1910 | In Maitland Ward 1, Holt, Missouri, United States.5 |
Occupation | 1910 | Washer. |
Last Edited | 25 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4427] "Sarah E Weir in the Missouri, U.S., Death Certificates, 1910." 1969 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/244251:60382?indiv=try&h&pid=232112346274&db. Accessed 25 Sep. 2023., Image available
- [S4425] "Sarah E Harris in the 1850 United States Federal Census." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/19924973:8054?indiv=try&h&pid=232112346274&db. Accessed 25 Sep. 2023.
- [S4421] "James ? Weir in the Indiana, U.S., Marriages, 1810." 2001 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1811152:60282?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 25 Sep. 2023.
- [S4422] "James S. Weir in the Indiana, U.S., Select Marriages Index, 1748." 1993 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/2137477:60281?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 25 Sep. 2023.
- [S4426] "Sarah E Weir in the 1910 United States Federal Census." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/14379853:7884?indiv=try&h&pid=232112346274&db. Accessed 25 Sep. 2023.
Rebecca jane Weir
F, #3294, b. 1855, d. 1928
Parents
Birth | 1855 | |
Death | 1928 | At age ~73. |
Last Edited | 25 September 2023 |
Sarah C. Epler
F, #3297, b. 7 January 1807, d. 8 January 1870
Birth | 7 January 1807 | In Clark County, Indiana, United States.1 |
Marriage | 29 January 1829 | In Clark County, Indiana, United States.2 |
Death | 8 January 1870 | At age 63 in Sangamon County, Illinois, United States.1,3 |
Last Edited | 25 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4433] Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/81215467/sarah-weir: accessed 25 September 2023), memorial page for Sarah Epler Weir (7 Jan 1807–8 Jan 1870), Find a Grave Memorial ID 81215467, citing Pleasant Plains Cemetery, Pleasant Plains, Sangamon County, Illinois, USA; Maintained by Karen Mickel Bennett (contributor 46580610)., Tombstone image available
- [S4430] "Milton Weir in the Indiana, U.S., Select Marriages Index, 1748." 1993 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1518538:60281?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 25 Sep. 2023.
- [S4434] "Sarah Wier in the U.S., Federal Census Mortality Schedules, 1850." 1885 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1927335:8756?indiv=try&h&pid=162079899019&db. Accessed 25 Sep. 2023.
Rachel A. Kiser
F, #3298, b. 1836, d. between June 1900 and April 1910
Birth | 1836 | |
Marriage | 22 November 1855 | In Warren, Indiana, United States.1 |
Death | between June 1900 and April 1910 | In Pike, Warren, Indiana, United States. By 1910 her husband is a widower2,3 |
Last Edited | 25 September 2023 |
Citations
- [S4436] "William M Chapman in the Indiana, U.S., Marriage Index, 1800." 1941 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/505164:5059?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 25 Sep. 2023., This says William M Chapman, but his wife is later Rachel and other trees agree she is Rachel Kiser
- [S4440] "Wm Chapman in the 1900 United States Federal Census." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/13968185:7602?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 25 Sep. 2023., Bushel is Rachel (very poorly written)
- [S4439] "William Chapman in the 1910 United States Federal Census." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/6830398:7884?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 25 Sep. 2023.
John Archibald Anderson
M, #3299, b. 1750, d. 1833
John Archibald Anderson is said to have been a Corporal, 1775, Pennsylvania. No evidence for it.
This is an experiment to see if it works out as the father of Alexander. But maybe it could be the mysterious brother Samuel... There are some good "half" DNA matches with children of this John Archibald.
https://www.geni.com/people/John-Anderson/6000000006591514459.
Parents
Birth | 1750 | In Pennsylvania, British America. |
Marriage | | |
Marriage | 1772 | Some have the mother of his children Catherine Jane Shirley Parker but that marriage would have been long after his children were born.1 |
Death | 1833 | At age ~83 in Garrard County, Kentucky, United States. This death record and the probate record is also assigned to his son John G. Anderson... or maybe somebody altogether different. Some people have our John Archibald as dying in 1831. This death record has the name Matilda Anderson apparently as the inheritee and also the name Turner Johnson.2 |
Burial | 1833 | At John Anderson Cemetery in Garrard County, Kentucky, United States. Dubious2 |
Misc | | Matilda Anderson NOT a daughter of John Archibald Anderson. Matilda Anderson with the birth date of about 1807 and death date of 20 Aug 1856 in Garrard, Kentucky is Matilda Bennett, father John Bennett. "Matilda Anderson in the Kentucky, U.S., Death Records, 1852." 1965 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/303964:1222?indiv=try&h&_phsrc=VFH413&pid=192523312367&db. Accessed 29 Mar. 2024.
There is also an 1850 census in Garrard, Kentucky where she is the spouse of a Jno Anderson age 48 with children Sophia, Nancy E., Mary J., Louisa, Lavinia.
This probably also means that the probate record is neither of "our" John Andersons. Unless of course she is a wife of either of them. |
Misc | | Two John Andersons in Harrison County? One is a will of someone who relatives are different from our John Anderson's children.3 |
Misc | | Children. Kezia might be a daughter. She married James Hopwood
There are trees with lots of children, but not our Alexander. Has the others in my list. There is also a will from the right county.
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/113909942/person/242020132877/facts _____________________ This child is in a geneanet tree: James Hunter Anderson in the Geneanet Community Trees Index
Name James Hunter Anderson Gender M (Male) Birth Date 1790 Birth Place Harrison, Pulaski (Harrison), Kentucky, USA Death Date 1847 Death Place Wapello, Iowa, USA Father John Archibald Anderson Mother Catherine Jane Shirley Parker Spouse Margaret Peggy Snodgrass Child Barton W Anderson |
Misc | | DNA Matches - good. 8/15/2024 Scott's DNA attached to Samuel Anderson 8 matches on siblings of Alexander, all called half. John G. 2 matches John Archibald only Francis - 4 matches John Archibald only Isabella - 1 John Archibald only Mary - 1 John Archibald only
No direct matches with Susannah Thomas. Maybe she died and he remarried? I removed susannah Thomas from ancestry and I got "Martha Callis Winston" which is bogus as far as I can tell. So no one else has an idea for this one kid...
______________ 6/2/2024 Judy's DNA attached to Samuel Anderson 4 matches to siblings, all half to John Archibald John G, Francis, Isabella
Scott's DNA - Samuel Anderson 9 DNA matches John G 2 matches to John Archibald only Francis 4 matches to John Archibald only Isabella 2 matches to John Archibald only Mary Cartmill 1 to J.A. AND Susannah Thomas ______________ 3 fairly high hits on three other children of John Archibald. They are half, but that makes sense since the children I have listed have a gap between these three and Alexander of 15 years! But at least one more child is also later according to what I find: Matilda, but we have no evidence for Matilda. John G, Francis, and Isabella.
John G is John A and Susannah Thomas Francis is only John A Isabella is only John A
Re Susannah Thomas, John G only one match to both, 22 under my Alexander
Scott has 9 DNA matches across 5 children. |
Misc | | Military records and the child Kezia. I am removing the child Kezia until some evidence of the existence appears.1,4 |
Misc | | Possible second wife: Catherine Parker. DNA says John G, Francis, Isabella are not the children of Susannah Thomas but our Alexander and Mary Polly are. Catherine Jane Shirley Parker 1757-1838 might be the mother of the others. BUT we have a marriage date of Susannah of which must be wrong... 1772 does not work at all. Nor can I find more information. There is a marriage record of a Catherine Parker and John Anderson 19 July 1822. That is possible and may be why it says Susannah Thomas died before 1822, but does not help with the children born BEFORE Mary and Alexander who do not match DNA with Susannah Thomas. Or does it really mean that? Can it be a fault of the trees? Fortunately we are not involved in this since our Alexander matches Susannah Thomas.
And a third wife. a Rebecca Maxwell married a John Anderson 10 Jan 1775 in Botetort. But was our guy ever there? Looks like he went straight from Pennsylvania to Kentucky.5 |
Misc | 1775 | Possibly Corporal John Anderson in Pennsylvania, British America. Corporal John Anderson was in Pennsylvania in 1775. Is this him?6 |
Property | 1796 | POSSIBLE land sale in 1796 in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, British America.7![Anderson John b1750 possible land sale](../st/picicon.png) |
Residence | 1800 | In Harrison, Kentucky, United States. The entire list shows how many Andersons there were in Kentucky in 1800 and how many John Andersons (23) and how many in Harrison County alone! (2 , and his son John was still a baby).8,9 |
Residence | 6 August 1810 | In Cynthiana, Harrison, Kentucky, United States. NOTE! There is one male person under 10. That would be born after 1800. And our Alexander was born in 1805. Most trees have no such male person.10 |
Misc | 1830 | Owned one adult slave in 1830.11 |
Residence | 1830 | In Eastern Division, Harrison, Kentucky, United States.11 |
Will | 3 August 1832 | In Harrison County, Kentucky, United States. What is this?3 |
Probate | 7 October 1833 | In Madison, Kentucky, United States. This is also assigned to his son John G Anderson (1776-~1833). But see the note about Matilda Anderson. This record probably does not belong to either of "our" John Andersons.12 |
Last Edited | 15 August 2024 |
Citations
- [S4449] "Susannah Thomas in the North America, Family Histories, 1500." 2000 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/2142534:61157?indiv=try&h&pid=352248463128&db. Accessed 28 Sep. 2023., See image of page
See the DAR information in its own source
This may be bogus. This is about a Captain John Anderson. This is from a list of DAR, so the Kezia comes from a now suspicious DAR approved submission. "Notice: FUTURE APPLICANTS MUST PROVE CORRECT SERVICE "
Also, I can find no Kezia Wright Williams, nor James Hopwood and Kezia Anderson.![John Anderson in North American, Family Histories](../st/picicon.png)
- [S4444] Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/69139107/john-anderson: accessed 28 September 2023), memorial page for John Anderson (unknown–1833), Find a Grave Memorial ID 69139107, citing John Anderson Cemetery, Garrard County, Kentucky, USA; Maintained by Patsy Hall Hatfield (contributor 47492366).
- [S4464] "The Will of John Anderson." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/113909942/person/242020132877/media/91d5677a-f486-4574-bcd6-3929b999e8a3?indiv=try&h&_phsrc=Sgq2984&pid=242020132877&db. Accessed 30 Sep. 2023., This is called the will of JohnAnderson and it is the right county, but I have no idea what it is. Also, I think what I have for death records for John b1750 are actually for his son John G.
- [S4461] "DAR Genealogical Research Databases." Services https://services.dar.org/Public/DAR_Research/search_adb/?action=full&p_id=A002453. Accessed 30 Sep. 2023., Submissions have been made in the name of the mysteriouis Kezia and James Hopwood and John and Mary Ramey.
- [S5024] "John Anderson in the Caldwell County, Kentucky, Marriage Index, 1809." 1828 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/683:5615?indiv=try&h&pid=192522820172&db. Accessed 29 Mar. 2024.
- [S4447] "Corporal John Anderson in the Pennsylvania and New Jersey, U.S., Church and Town Records, 1669." 2013 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/6243294:2451?indiv=try&h&pid=132469466041&db. Accessed 28 Sep. 2023., Looks like taken at St. Johns 3 Nov 1775
Corporal John Anderson 11 Dec 1775
See image:
Anderson John Archibald b1750 possible military record.jpg![Corporal John Anderson military record 1775](../st/picicon.png)
- [S4463] "Notice of Land sale." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/tree/113909942/person/242020132877/media/0b37fa17-4282-472e-934e-7609621827c4?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 30 Sep. 2023.
- [S4446] "John Anderson in the Kentucky, U.S., Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1787." 1890 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/8330841:3549?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 28 Sep. 2023.
- [S4465] "John Anderson in the Kentucky, U.S., Tax Lists, 1799." 1801 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/555:3720?indiv=try&h&pid=242020132877&db. Accessed 30 Sep. 2023.
![Anderson John in 1800 Kentucky Tax List](../st/picicon.png)
- [S4443] "John Anderson in the 1810 United States Federal Census." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/565038:7613?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 28 Sep. 2023.
![John Archibald Anderson in 1810 US Census](../st/picicon.png)
- [S4445] "John Anderson in the 1830 United States Federal Census." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1859779:8058?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 28 Sep. 2023.
- [S4451] "John Anderson in the Kentucky, U.S., Wills and Probate Records, 1774." 1989 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/34479:9066?indiv=try&h&pid=252331998866&db. Accessed 28 Sep. 2023., See attached image
![Anderson John d1833 probate record](../st/picicon.png)
Alexander Anderson
M, #3300, b. 1730
Beware, that this Alexander Anderson is confused with a Quaker Alexander Anderson of totally different ancestry. His name is said to be Andriessen and if that is true, he may be Dutch, not Scotch-Irish. Both are in familysearch and there is a suggestion to merge them, which I wrote a note opposing. See note about child named Samuel.
Parents
Birth | 1730 | In South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland. This looks like a possible fit.1,2 |
Misc | | Anderson child named Samuel. The child named Samuel is no doubt the child of the Quaker family Alexander Anderson (Andriessen) and Susannah Evans (1737-1830). It appears from Alexander's will that their only child was Samuel V. |
Misc | | Parents: George Anderson and Margaret Hunter. DNA with both Scott and I getting zero BUT if they had only one or two children, we could not have many hits!1 |
Misc | | Possible spouse Susannah Evans. Susannah Evans is Quaker https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170265934/susanna-anderson
They had a child Samuel! |
Misc | | DNA Matches. Judy's DNA on Samuel Anderson 6/1/2024 No hits on Alexander himself. Ditto for Scott's DNA
BUT they did not have a lot of children! ____________
Scott gets only 1 hit each on Alexander and Susanna Evans |
Baptism | 6 September 1730 | In South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland.1 |
Immigration | 1756 | Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland, British America.3 |
Misc | 1768 | Possible marriage in South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland. An Alexander Anderson from South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland married a Christian Chalmers 2 July 1768. This is too late for our John Archibald. Possibly we are on the wrong track... "Alexander Anderson in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561." 1910 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/809097:60144?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 30 Sep. 2023. |
Misc | 9 May 1775 | Possible marriage to Susannah Myers in Douglassville, Amity Township, Berks, Pennsylvania, British America. Possible marriage with a Susannah Myers b ca 1750, but this is too late to be the parent of John Archibald. However this was an Episcopal marriage and most likely our Scotch Irish would be Presbyterian. |
Last Edited | 15 August 2024 |
Citations
- [S4459] "Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564." 1950 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQMD-FF3. Accessed 30 Sep. 2023.
- [S6432] "Margaret Hunter in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564." 1950 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/21636119:60143?indiv=try&h&pid=222406165460&db. Accessed 29 Aug. 2024.
- [S6277] "Alexander Anderson in the U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s." 1900s https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/5125943:7486?indiv=try&h&pid=282507203373&db. Accessed 15 Aug. 2024.