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James Spencer

M, #1526, b. about 1735, d. 1780
ReferencesAncestors

Parents

FatherJohn Spencer (b. about 1710, d. 1765)
MotherMary (b. 1719, d. 1781)
Pedigree Link

Family: Eleanor Robertson (b. 1739, d. 1810)

SonJohn ("Bull") Spencer+ (b. about 1759, d. about 1831)
DaughterJoyce Spencer (b. 1759)
SonJames Robertson Spencer (b. about 1761, d. 11 March 1851)
DaughterRebecca Spencer (b. about 1763, d. 1822)
SonWilliam W Spencer+ (b. between 1765 and 1770, d. after 1830)
SonThomas Spencer (b. 1 July 1767, d. January 1854)
SonCharles Spencer (b. 1772, d. 27 July 1859)
SonThomas Robert Spencer (b. 9 November 1774, d. 1839)
SonJoseph Spencer (b. 1776, d. 1819)
DaughterSusan Spencer (b. 1777)
DaughterEleanor Spencer (b. 1779)
DaughterEllen Mary Spencer (b. 1779)
SonRobert Spencer (b. 1781)
Birthabout 1735In Charlottesville, Albemarle, Virginia, British America.1,2
Marriage17581
Death1780In Charlottesville, Albemarle, Virginia, United States.1,3,2
MiscDNA Matches - good. May 2024 87 matches. 12 with William W but 28 with Thomas R S called half. Curiously nothing on William W Sr, all 12 on William W Jr
Thomas R. S. that I checked common ancestor James Spencer and Eleanor Robertson

We are descended from both John Harvey and William W

Scott with small tree: 92 matches across 6 other children than William W.
Thomas is called half. I have TWO Thomas' 13 kids altogether! Both Thomas' are listed! Thomas b1767 has both as common ancestors with 3 matches. The other Thomas b1774 has both for the ones I checked. walden
They put Scott under William W b1770 (15 matches) but gets 31 matches with John H
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2024 88 DNA matches with multiple children, some called half.

50 DNA Matches. This has gone down from 70 and fewer from John Harvey too!
9 with John Harvey, the rest with siblings.

Scott Borgmier has 84 matches, across 8 siblings. Now the father is "John 'James' Spencer". 26 under John H, and the rest all are names in my list.
[Previously they put them under William!}
2024 using my tree:
Scott has 95 matches across a lot of children.
MiscWives. He may have had more than one wife, but John Harvey, James, Thomas and Charles seem to have the same mother. BUT the list of children I get with James Spencer is the exact same list.
MiscParents: Not proven. familysearch.com has two possible parents:
Preferred:
John Spencer (1715-1765) and Mary McDowell (mine was Mary Hobday)

Alternate:
William Nicholas Spencer (1675-1745) and Rachel Brooks (1695-1750)

DNA seems to indicate William Nicholas Spencer (1681-1759)
Scott and I each have one match each but different. Both go to WN Spencer only and are called half.

No matches on the mother and no matches on Hobday.1,2
Military6 April 1778Private, 15th Regiment in Virginia.4
Will6 September 1780In Charlotte, Virginia, British America. The will looks like Ellender as his wife and an executor is Edward Robertson. His daughter Joyce Spencer, maybe his eldest child, married an Edward Robinson.5
Last Edited13 October 2024

Citations

  1. [S2314] "James Spencer in the Family Data Collection." Individual Records https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/5098996:4725?indiv=try&h&pid=1854717213&db. Accessed 2 Sep. 2022.
  2. [S7346] "James Spencer (abt.1735-1780)." WikiTree FREE Family Tree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Spencer-524. Accessed 8 Nov. 2024., There is basically no information... And what are those Notes in the 1800s?
  3. [S2316] Early Spencers of Virginia by H. W. Rigby, Appendix D (1986). https://docplayer.net/94205620-Early-spencers-of-virginia-compiled-by-henry-w-rigby-2301-sharon-lane-charlotte-n-c.html. Accessed 9/1/2022.
  4. [S2315] "James Spencer in the U.S., Revolutionary War Rolls, 1775." 1783 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/828632:4282?indiv=try&h&pid=6701238364&db. Accessed 2 Sep. 2022.
  5. [S4088] "James Spencer in the Virginia, U.S., Wills and Probate Records, 1652." 1900 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1670607:62347?indiv=try&h&pid=18019633735&db. Accessed 13 Jul. 2023.

Eleanor Robertson

F, #1527, b. 1739, d. 1810
Some have a middle name Mahlon.
ReferencesAncestors

Parents

FatherCaptain Matthew Robertson (b. about 1713, d. 1786)
MotherMartha (b. 1728, d. 1822)
Pedigree Link

Family: James Spencer (b. about 1735, d. 1780)

SonJohn ("Bull") Spencer+ (b. about 1759, d. about 1831)
DaughterJoyce Spencer (b. 1759)
SonJames Robertson Spencer (b. about 1761, d. 11 March 1851)
DaughterRebecca Spencer (b. about 1763, d. 1822)
SonWilliam W Spencer+ (b. between 1765 and 1770, d. after 1830)
SonThomas Spencer (b. 1 July 1767, d. January 1854)
SonCharles Spencer (b. 1772, d. 27 July 1859)
SonThomas Robert Spencer (b. 9 November 1774, d. 1839)
SonJoseph Spencer (b. 1776, d. 1819)
DaughterSusan Spencer (b. 1777)
DaughterEleanor Spencer (b. 1779)
DaughterEllen Mary Spencer (b. 1779)
SonRobert Spencer (b. 1781)
Birth1739
Marriage17581
Death1810At age ~71 in Charlottesville, Albemarle, Virginia, United States. I also see 1815 in Charlotte County, VA
MiscDNA Matches - excellent. 80 Matches
19 with John Harvey the rest with siblings

Scott Borgmier has 84 matches. All of the children under Eleanor are children we have listed there under Eleanor Robertson and James Spencer.
Of course this does not prove the name of this person... just that children of this mother are related.

We are related to the Spencers in two ways...
MiscParents - unknown. We have too many DNA matches with Matthew -> James for it not to be this family. (Matthew is not in the ancestry tree so that is not confusing thrulines.) Father's will names two other son in laws but not her husband. Also, how did they find each other? I have her husband born in Albemarle County and they live and die in Albemarle County.

"Everybody" else has her parents as James Robertson (1713-1795) and Elizabeth Christian Mann (1715-1759)

Some assign her to John Robertson. Who is John Robertson?

If in error, the most likely is a different son of James as the father than Matthew?

Some people assign her to a James Robertson and wife Christian who apparently had been in Barbados.
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There are DNA matches for Daniel Robertson, but somehow they make me uncomfortable. Just not clean. I was entering siblings, but then went back to see if I could convince myself that these were her family and I cannot. Plus I found an issue. In her husband's will he mentions an Edward Robertson. Matthew Robertson's family seems to have NO Edwards. So I go hunting for Edwards and cannot find a suitable one. I"m leaving them connected, but I'm not happy with the solution. It looks like more trees have Matthew than any other prospect, but trees in general are wrong... so that's no evidence at all. I did check some trees for evidence I do not have, but found none.
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Good grief, the FS tree has James Spencer marrying Eleanor Robertson, dau of James Robertson and Martha Field Archer and I commented about lack of evidence... People keep adding and deleting her I think...
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LZ8K-GT8

Removed both parents.

Consider possible relationship to James Robertson (1742-1814)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Robertson_(explorer)
No daughter Eleanor in his tree in FS

Connection to potential parents names seem to be from records in Barbados. Possible...

There was an Edward Robertson mentioned in her husband's will/probate. Worth looking into him as a brother or even father? Looked hard for a suitable Edward and found a couple of names but no information at all.

James son of George is James Edward to some people and some mention the will does not list early children (first wife)but not good enough. Who was Edward Robertson?

Matthew Robertson (1713 Scotchirish - 1786) and Elizabeth Mann (1737-1811)no son listed named Edward
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/116822867/person/332059201570/facts

Elizabeth Mann was apparently born in Charlottesville! But this family is almost not known at all...
Residence1782In Charlotte County, Virginia, United States.2
Last Edited21 October 2024

Citations

  1. [S2314] "James Spencer in the Family Data Collection." Individual Records https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/5098996:4725?indiv=try&h&pid=1854717213&db. Accessed 2 Sep. 2022.
  2. [S4089] "Eleanor Spencer in the Virginia, U.S., Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1607." 1890 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/32690408:3578?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 13 Jul. 2023.

James Baber

M, #1528, b. 2 June 1762, d. 17 July 1836

Parents

FatherRobert Edward Baber (b. about 1725, d. 6 July 1786)
MotherJane Phelps (b. 1725, d. 1786)
Pedigree Link
Birth2 June 1762In Bedford Co. Virginia, British America.1,2
Death17 July 1836At age 74 in Edwardsville, Cleburne, Alabama, United States.1,2
MiscChildren.1
Misc13 March 1785Married Mildred Holly Arthur in Campbell Co. Virginia, United States.1,2
Last Edited7 September 2024

Citations

  1. [S6505] "James G. Baber (1762-1836)." WikiTree FREE Family Tree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baber-38. Accessed 7 Sep. 2024.
  2. [S6506] Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/32321717/james_g-baber: accessed September 7, 2024), memorial page for James G. Baber (2 Jun 1762–17 Jul 1836), Find a Grave Memorial ID 32321717, citing Edwardsville Cemetery, Edwardsville, Cleburne County, Alabama, USA; Maintained by Joe Baber (contributor 47080784).

William Baber

M, #1530, b. about 1713, d. before 9 September 1793

Parents

FatherRobert Baber (b. July 1684, d. 1749)
MotherElizabeth Barnett (b. 1684, d. after 10 August 1732)
Pedigree Link

Family: Elizabeth Lucy Howell (d. before March 1792)

SonGeorge Baber+ (b. 1743, d. 1825)
DaughterJane Baber (b. 1760)
SonWilliam Baber (b. 1760, d. 1830)
SonRobert Baber (b. 1766, d. 1824)
SonIsaac Baber (b. about 1769, d. 5 February 1845)
SonJosiah Baber (b. 1769)
DaughterDiana Baber (b. 1771)
DaughterLucy Baber (b. 1774)
DaughterMary Baber (b. 1776)
DaughterMilley Baber (b. 1778)
Birthabout 1713In Caroline Co. Virginia.1,2,3
Marriagebefore 1758This name is not certain.1,4,5,3
Deathbefore 9 September 1793In Buckingham Co. Virginia.1,3
EducationIlliterate - signed will with an X.6
MilitaryRevolutionary War Records.7
MiscDNA Matches. I no longer believe he's a direct ancestor. Most are only on William but not all! All are called half.

May 2024
26 matches on William Baber born 1713. 23 on Robert and 2 on George and one on Isaac. Both called half. George's common ancestor is William Baber. Isaac has William Baber and Lucy Howell.

Scott's small tree has a good idea that the father of Robert Baber b1766 is William Fulton Baber (1747-1809) and has 42 DNA matches, 23 on Josiah Robert which I assume is our Robert by the dates.
Common ancestor William Fulton Baber and Candace Hubbard Walden for George, is called half but both WFB and Candace
TLucrecia is called half and only WFB but the other Lucrecia is Thomas J Anderson and Saray Myers which I assume is his father's match.
Mourning Baber has 11 matches! The ones I checked are William Fulton and Candace
Mary Polly is WFB and Candace
Nancy Baber Thomas (?) (1788-1882) is WFB only and married Kemp Thomas

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2024 William Baber matches is down to 3! NONE with my Robert and the others are called half. With Lucy Howell ONLY one with Isaac not called half.
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26 across 3 children, others called half

30 matches on 4 children, but all called "half"
1 match to Lucy Howell, which of course does not match her name, with Isaac, so 2 children.

Scott has 28 matches. 23 with Robert and the rest called half
MiscParents: Named in father's will. Mother? Who his mother is depends on his birth date! 1713 does not seem likely... Robert's first wife was Elizabeth

took place about 1732. See notes under Robert Baber.

Second wife was Margaret Welch

But no way to prove with DNA at this time who it is and nothing seems to be known about Margaret Welch anyway...8
Misc12 December 1747Named in his father's will.8
Property13 November 1751Brother Robert deeds land on 13 November 1751 in Albemarle County, Virginia, British America.9
Misc1759Sold land in Albemarle Co. 1759 Albemarle Co. William Baber sold land that he said was given to him by William Phelps.1
Property7 July 1763On 7 July 1763 in Albemarle County, Virginia, British America.10
Property24 March 1764On 24 March 1764 in Buckingham Co., Virginia, British America.11
Property16 February 1771On 16 February 1771 in Buckingham Co., Virginia, British America.12
Residencebetween 1773 and 1774In Buckingham Co., Virginia, British America. Who are Caesar and Sarah?13
Misc15 October 1779Petition of freeholders and inhabitants.14
Property1782In 1782 in Buckingham Co., Virginia, British America.15
Property16 April 1783On 16 April 1783 in Buckingham Co., Virginia, United States.16
Will1792In Buckingham Co., Virginia, United States.6
Probate9 September 1793In Buckingham Co., Virginia, United States.6
Last Edited7 September 2024

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S2896] Historical Southern Families. Volume XIII, pages 152-157, downloaded from ancestry.com and OCRed 1/6/2023. File: Baber Family in Southern Families XIII -OCR.pdf, William Baber, son of Robert2, is only mentioned and not followed in either version of the Baber story in Southern Families.
  3. [S6498] "William Baber (abt. 1713." bef. 1793) ID/Link/URL/Cite/UserID https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baber-313. Accessed 7 Sep. 2024.
  4. [S3077] "Lucy Howell in the U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560." 1900 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/609466:7836?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023.
  5. [S4699] "Lucy Howell in the U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560." 1900 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/609466:7836?indiv=try&h&pid=-2001866212&db. Accessed 25 Jan. 2024.
  6. [S4241] "William Baber's Will dated 1792/3." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/WillofWm.htm. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.
  7. [S4231] "Revolutionary War Records: Virginia." Ancestry.com https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/424026:48615?indiv=try&h&pid=1742721965&db. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023., See image of page
    Virginia Revolutionary War Service Records
    Virginia State Line

    Troops served under state authority in units known as the Virginia State Line, enlisting for three-year terms beginning in 1776. Originally intended for duty within the state, these units were sometimes called to reinforce the Continental Army in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and the Carolinas. The State Line also included George Rogers Clark’s Illinois Regiment, which fought against the British and their Indigenous allies in the Northwest Territory, in what are now Illinois and Indiana. Virginia also created a State Navy with personnel enlisted for three-year terms.

    Service records exist in the for some State Line soldiers in the form of payrolls and muster rolls of their units. These records are located in the Library of Virginia archives. Records of State Line units housed in the National Archives are abstracted as Compiled Service Records for each individual.

    https://lva-virginia.libguides.com/c.php?g=1197762&p=8760262
  8. [S3075] "Will of Robert Baber 1747." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/willRobert1747.htm. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023., See will as written in media
  9. [S4242] "Virginia, Albemarle County, Wills, 1748-1919 ; general index, 1748-1930; ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89PH." Z9H6 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89PH-Z9H6. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023., see image of the record. Very difficult to read!
  10. [S4235] "Land grant 7 July 1763.." Library of Virginia
    https://lva.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/permalink/01LVA_INST/altrmk/alma990007185770205756 Accessed 14 Aug. 2023., See saved image
  11. [S4236] "Plat books, 1762-1848; ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLS." 1K1K https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLS-1K1K. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023., See image
  12. [S4237] "Land grant 16 February 1771.." Library of Virginia https://lva.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/discovery/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=01LVA_INST%3A01LVA&search_scope=MyInstitution_noAER&tab=LibraryCatalog&docid=alma990007185780205756. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023., See image
  13. [S4238] "Lists of tithables, 1773." 1774 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-4R15?i=10. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023., See images of the pages
  14. [S3078] "Ancestry.com." Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1990_01_01_0091?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023., See attached image
  15. [S4239] See image
  16. [S4240] "Plat books, 1762-1848; ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLS." 1KLG https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLS-1KLG. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023., See image

Sarah Baber

F, #1531, b. about 1718

Parents

FatherRobert Baber (b. July 1684, d. 1749)
MotherElizabeth Barnett (b. 1684, d. after 10 August 1732)
Pedigree Link
Birthabout 1718In Carolina Co, Virginia, British America.1
MiscPossibly called Sally - BUT her father also names Sarah Cockerman in his will!
Miscbefore 12 December 1747Married William Cockerham (named in her father's will.)2
Misc12 December 1747Named Sally in her father's will.3
Last Edited7 September 2024

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S2896] Historical Southern Families. Volume XIII, pages 152-157, downloaded from ancestry.com and OCRed 1/6/2023. File: Baber Family in Southern Families XIII -OCR.pdf, William Baber, son of Robert2, is only mentioned and not followed in either version of the Baber story in Southern Families.
  3. [S3075] "Will of Robert Baber 1747." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/willRobert1747.htm. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023., See will as written in media

Elizabeth ("Betty") Baber

F, #1532, b. about 1727

Parents

FatherRobert Baber (b. July 1684, d. 1749)
MotherElizabeth Barnett (b. 1684, d. after 10 August 1732)
Pedigree Link
Birthabout 1727In Carolina Co, Virginia, British America.1
MiscPossibly Married William Walker (1735-1810.)2,3
Misc12 December 1747Named in her father's will.3
Last Edited7 September 2024

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S2896] Historical Southern Families. Volume XIII, pages 152-157, downloaded from ancestry.com and OCRed 1/6/2023. File: Baber Family in Southern Families XIII -OCR.pdf
  3. [S3075] "Will of Robert Baber 1747." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/willRobert1747.htm. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023., See will as written in media

Rachel Baber

F, #1533, b. 1729

Parents

FatherRobert Baber (b. July 1684, d. 1749)
MotherElizabeth Barnett (b. 1684, d. after 10 August 1732)
Pedigree Link
Birth1729In Carolina Co, Virginia, British America.1
Miscbefore 12 December 1747Married William Webb.2
Misc12 December 1747Named Rachel Webb in her father's will.3
Last Edited7 September 2024

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S6501] "Rachel (Baber) Webb (1729-)." WikiTree FREE Family Tree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baber-1398. Accessed 7 Sep. 2024.
  3. [S3075] "Will of Robert Baber 1747." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/willRobert1747.htm. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023., See will as written in media

John Baber

M, #1534, b. about 1732

Parents

FatherRobert Baber (b. July 1684, d. 1749)
MotherMargaret Welch (b. about 1703, d. after 1747)
Pedigree Link
Birthabout 17321
Misc12 December 1747Named in his father's will.2
Last Edited7 September 2024

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S3075] "Will of Robert Baber 1747." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/willRobert1747.htm. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023., See will as written in media

Anne ("Nanny or Nancy") Baber

F, #1535, b. about 1725

Parents

FatherRobert Baber (b. July 1684, d. 1749)
MotherElizabeth Barnett (b. 1684, d. after 10 August 1732)
Pedigree Link
Birthabout 1725In North Carolina, British America.1
MarriageNot in our direct tree and would need work to complete the path to him. Wikitree says he is the son of Thomas Phelps Sr. and Elizabeth (Patterson) Phelps. Thomas is a son of John Phelps and Mary Burgess.2,3
MiscWho is her mother. This depends on knowing her actual birth date, OR someone's DNA
Misc12 December 1747Named in her father's will.4
Last Edited7 September 2024

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S6499] "Nancy (Baber) Phelps (abt.1725-)." WikiTree FREE Family Tree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baber-32. Accessed 7 Sep. 2024.
  3. [S6500] "William Phelps (abt.1721-1749)." WikiTree FREE Family Tree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Phelps-465. Accessed 7 Sep. 2024.
  4. [S3075] "Will of Robert Baber 1747." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/willRobert1747.htm. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023., See will as written in media

Juriah Baber

F, #1536, b. 1737

Parents

FatherRobert Baber (b. July 1684, d. 1749)
MotherMargaret Welch (b. about 1703, d. after 1747)
Pedigree Link
Birth1737In Albemarle County, Province of Virginia.
Misc12 December 1747Named in her father's will.1
Last Edited7 September 2024

Citations

  1. [S3075] "Will of Robert Baber 1747." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/willRobert1747.htm. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023., See will as written in media

Charles Baber

M, #1538, b. about 1741

Parents

FatherRobert Baber (b. July 1684, d. 1749)
MotherMargaret Welch (b. about 1703, d. after 1747)
Pedigree Link
Birthabout 1741In Albemarle County, Virginia, British America.1
Misc12 December 1747Named in his father's will.2
Last Edited7 September 2024

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S3075] "Will of Robert Baber 1747." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/willRobert1747.htm. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023., See will as written in media

Unknown Baber

U, #1539, b. 1748
Margaret was pregnant when Robert died. May have been raised as a child of Duncan Smith, second husband of Margaret Welch.

Parents

FatherRobert Baber (b. July 1684, d. 1749)
MotherMargaret Welch (b. about 1703, d. after 1747)
Pedigree Link
Birth1748Margaret was pregnant when Robert died. May have been raised as a child of Duncan Smith1,2
Last Edited25 January 2024

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S3075] "Will of Robert Baber 1747." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/willRobert1747.htm. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023., See will as written in media

Elizabeth Lucy Howell

F, #1540, d. before March 1792
In many trees she is Lucy Howell Phelps with father Thomas Phelps and mother Elizabeth Patterson
Sometimes Elizabeth Lucy Howell

Fact: 1759 Albemarle Co. William Baber sold land that he said was given to him by William Phelps.
https://baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm.

Parents

FatherWilliam Phelps (b. 1690)
Pedigree Link

Family: William Baber (b. about 1713, d. before 9 September 1793)

SonGeorge Baber+ (b. 1743, d. 1825)
DaughterJane Baber (b. 1760)
SonWilliam Baber (b. 1760, d. 1830)
SonRobert Baber (b. 1766, d. 1824)
SonIsaac Baber (b. about 1769, d. 5 February 1845)
SonJosiah Baber (b. 1769)
DaughterDiana Baber (b. 1771)
DaughterLucy Baber (b. 1774)
DaughterMary Baber (b. 1776)
DaughterMilley Baber (b. 1778)
Marriagebefore 1758This name is not certain.1,2,3,4
Deathbefore March 1792Not named in her husband's will.5
MiscParents. People seem to agree Phelps, but I have William Phelps and the FS tree has Thomas Phelps Sr (1705-1772) and Elizabeth Patterson (1707-1772)

Someone has this: "DNA matches indicate that Lucy is the daughter Thomas Phelps, Sr., and Elizabeth Patterson. "

Fact: 1759 Albemarle Co. William Baber sold land that he said was given to him by William Phelps.
https://baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm

BUT one tree has her parents Theophilus Howell and Elizabeth, in England. based on one birth record... Never mind...
MiscDNA matches. 6/25/2024 Scott's DNA on Dessie
1 on Isaac, both both parents

6/25/2024 Judy's DNA on Dessie
7 matches on siblings
George - 2 on William only


2024 I have 1 match with Isaac Baber, both parents. This is not looking good!

Scott has 2 with Isaac Baber but they do show William Baber and Lucy Howell.
MiscIssues. Very little is known about her. Some people have her having children before she is born. Death dates vary wildly too. I just say she was not mentioned in her husband's will... Most people have no information.
Last Edited25 June 2024

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S3077] "Lucy Howell in the U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560." 1900 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/609466:7836?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 27 Feb. 2023.
  3. [S4699] "Lucy Howell in the U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560." 1900 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/609466:7836?indiv=try&h&pid=-2001866212&db. Accessed 25 Jan. 2024.
  4. [S6498] "William Baber (abt. 1713." bef. 1793) ID/Link/URL/Cite/UserID https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baber-313. Accessed 7 Sep. 2024.
  5. [S4241] "William Baber's Will dated 1792/3." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/WillofWm.htm. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.

Diana Baber

F, #1541, b. 1771

Parents

FatherWilliam Baber (b. about 1713, d. before 9 September 1793)
MotherElizabeth Lucy Howell (d. before March 1792)
Pedigree Link
Birth1771
MiscMarried a Bullen.1,2
Misc20 March 1792Named in father's will.2
Last Edited14 August 2023

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S4241] "William Baber's Will dated 1792/3." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/WillofWm.htm. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.

George Baber

M, #1542, b. 1743, d. 1825

Parents

FatherWilliam Baber (b. about 1713, d. before 9 September 1793)
MotherElizabeth Lucy Howell (d. before March 1792)
Pedigree Link

Family: Mary Maxey (b. 1749, d. 1850)

DaughterMary ("Polly") Baber (b. 1775, d. 1860)
SonCaleb Baber (b. about 1776, d. 1855)
DaughterElizabeth Baber (b. 24 October 1780, d. 21 August 1844)
DaughterSally Baber (b. about 1786, d. 1858)
SonGeorge Baber (b. 1790)
SonWilliam Baber (b. about 1793, d. about 1837)
SonColonel Hiram Howell Baber (b. 10 September 1795, d. 23 October 1873)
Birth1743In Buckingham County, Virginia, British America.1
Marriageabout 17782,1
Death1825At age ~82 in Mercer Co. Kentucky. Cause of death, Asthma2,1
Misc20 March 1792Named in his father's will.3
Residence1810In Mercer, Kentucky, United States.4
Last Edited20 January 2024

Citations

  1. [S4651] "Descendants of George Baber." Baberfamilytree http://baberfamilytree.org/usa/geo-baber-maxey.htm. Accessed 20 Jan. 2024., See PDF: Descendants of George Baber
  2. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  3. [S4241] "William Baber's Will dated 1792/3." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/WillofWm.htm. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.
  4. [S2386] "George Baber in the 1810 United States Federal Census." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/693894:7613?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 29 Sep. 2022.

Jane Baber

F, #1543, b. 1760

Parents

FatherWilliam Baber (b. about 1713, d. before 9 September 1793)
MotherElizabeth Lucy Howell (d. before March 1792)
Pedigree Link
Birth1760
Marriage25 December 1780In Bedford County, Virginia, United States.1,2
Misc20 March 1792Named in her father's will.3
Last Edited14 August 2023

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S4197] "Virginia, County Marriage Records, 1771." 1989 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZH7-6SKT. Accessed 10 Aug. 2023.
  3. [S4241] "William Baber's Will dated 1792/3." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/WillofWm.htm. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.

Josiah Baber

M, #1544, b. 1769

Parents

FatherWilliam Baber (b. about 1713, d. before 9 September 1793)
MotherElizabeth Lucy Howell (d. before March 1792)
Pedigree Link
Birth1769
Misc20 March 1792Named in his father's will.1
Last Edited10 May 2024

Citations

  1. [S4241] "William Baber's Will dated 1792/3." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/WillofWm.htm. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.

Lucy Baber

F, #1545, b. 1774

Parents

FatherWilliam Baber (b. about 1713, d. before 9 September 1793)
MotherElizabeth Lucy Howell (d. before March 1792)
Pedigree Link
Birth1774
Misc20 March 1792Named in father's will.1
Last Edited14 August 2023

Citations

  1. [S4241] "William Baber's Will dated 1792/3." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/WillofWm.htm. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.

Mary Baber

F, #1546, b. 1776

Parents

FatherWilliam Baber (b. about 1713, d. before 9 September 1793)
MotherElizabeth Lucy Howell (d. before March 1792)
Pedigree Link
Birth1776
Misc20 March 1792Named in father's will.1
Last Edited14 August 2023

Citations

  1. [S4241] "William Baber's Will dated 1792/3." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/WillofWm.htm. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.

Milley Baber

F, #1547, b. 1778

Parents

FatherWilliam Baber (b. about 1713, d. before 9 September 1793)
MotherElizabeth Lucy Howell (d. before March 1792)
Pedigree Link
Birth1778
MiscMarried a Brammer.1
Misc20 March 1792Named in father's will.1
Last Edited14 August 2023

Citations

  1. [S4241] "William Baber's Will dated 1792/3." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/WillofWm.htm. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.

William Baber

M, #1548, b. 1760, d. 1830
William Baber b: 1760 in Albemarle Co. Virginia d: 1830 in Greene Co. Indiana Burial: Buried Old Hunter Cemetery, Greene Cnty, IN Military service: PS VA DAR Patriot Index Residence: Resided in Pittsylvania Cnty, VA at time of the Revolution
..... +Susannah Southern b: 1762 in Surry Co. No. Carolina d: October 1832 in Greene Co. Indiana Burial: Buried Old Hunter Cemetery, Greene Co. IN m: Abt. 1780

baberfamilytree.org.

Parents

FatherWilliam Baber (b. about 1713, d. before 9 September 1793)
MotherElizabeth Lucy Howell (d. before March 1792)
Pedigree Link
Birth1760In Albemarle County, Virginia, British America.1,2
Death1830At age ~70 in Greene Co, Indiana, United States.1,2
MilitaryDAR Ancestor #: A004304.3
MilitarySAR Membership 49940. William Baber served in the Revolution as a Private in the Battle of Guilford, March 11, 1781, a large Company having been called from Pittsylvania Co. to the south.4,2
MilitaryThis could be this William Baber...
MiscMarried Susannah Southern (1672-1832.)4,2
Misc20 March 1792Named in his father's will.5
Last Edited14 August 2023

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S4234] Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/16788326/william-henry-baber: accessed 14 August 2023), memorial page for William Henry Baber (1760–1829), Find a Grave Memorial ID 16788326, citing Hunter Cemetery, Tulip, Greene County, Indiana, USA; Maintained by (RET)SGT Walter Dean Hamlin (contributor 47137966)., Tombstone has 1760-1829 REV WAR SOLDIER
  3. [S4232] "DAR Genealogical Research Databases." Services https://services.dar.org/Public/DAR_Research/search_adb/?action=full&p_id=A004304. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.
  4. [S4233] "William Baber in the U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889." 1970 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1110068:2204?indiv=try&h&db. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023., See images - can't save a good copy...
    Shows him born about 1740, died 1830
    wife Susanna Southern b1762, died 1832
  5. [S4241] "William Baber's Will dated 1792/3." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/WillofWm.htm. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.

Isaac Baber

M, #1549, b. about 1769, d. 5 February 1845
Isaac Baber b: Abt. 1769 in Buckingham Co. Virginia d: February 05, 1845 in Buckingham Co. Virginia
..... +Sarah (Sally) Tapscott b: 1774 d: August 23, 1812 in Buckingham Co. Virginia m: February 05, 1795
........... *2nd Wife of Isaac Baber:
..... +Polly Staton m: Abt. 1814
........... *3rd Wife of Isaac Baber:
..... +Delilah Legg b: Abt. 1784 d: January 11, 1853 Cause of Death (Facts): Consumption m: Bef. 1823 Census: 1850 Lived in the household next to John S. Baber.

baberfamilytree.org.

Parents

FatherWilliam Baber (b. about 1713, d. before 9 September 1793)
MotherElizabeth Lucy Howell (d. before March 1792)
Pedigree Link
Birthabout 1769In Buckingham Co., Virginia, British America.1
Death5 February 1845In Buckingham Co., Virginia, United States.1
Misc20 March 1792Named in his father's will.2
Last Edited14 August 2023

Citations

  1. [S2291] "Descendants of Robert Baber, the Immigrant." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/usa/robert1651.htm. Accessed 28 Aug. 2022.
  2. [S4241] "William Baber's Will dated 1792/3." Baberfamilytree https://www.baberfamilytree.org/Doc/WillofWm.htm. Accessed 14 Aug. 2023.

William Spencer

M, #1550, b. about 1783, d. 1808

Parents

FatherJohn ("Bull") Spencer (b. about 1759, d. about 1831)
MotherAnn ("Nancy") Fletcher (b. about 1763, d. before 1804)
Pedigree Link
Birthabout 1783In North Carolina, United States.1
Death1808In Smith County, Tennessee, United States.1
Last Edited6 May 2024

Citations

  1. [S5279] "Research on John Bull Spencer from Fran Fletcher." Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/69026471/person/32192292877/media/2e3da827-5808-49ad-9183-d1a0a5f4f993?indiv=try&h&_phsrc=VFH587&db. Accessed 6 May. 2024., See PDF (transcription is not perfect):
    Spencer John b1760 by fmfco at aoldotcom.pdf